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We all remember the Star Wars prequels. The rumors, the information tid-bits, all of the announcements and teasers, the very first trailer of the Phantom Menace. We were eager, hyped, and riding on 16+ years of nostalgia and Expanded Universe lore.

We saw Episode One. Some of us loved it. Some of us hated it. The rest were left wondering what the hell happened. The Trade Federation. Jar Jar Binks. Midichlorians. Jar Jar Binks. A plot about a trade dispute and the Republic powerless to do anything about it. Naboo. The Queen’s whole masquerade as a handmaiden. Lots of droids. Gungans. Jar Jar Binks. Anakin flying a starfighter at eight years old and blowing up a capital ship from the inside. Jar Jar Binks.

Then came Episode Two. Anakin and Padme involved in dull, forbidden, growing, yet forced romance. Oh, and some fight scenes in between. Boba Fett is a clone, and a 12 year old kid. More fight scenes. Yoda using a lightsaber. Count Dooku escaped. The beginning of the Clone Years… at the end of the movie. Alright, what’s next?

Episode Three was released. The Emper… I mean, Chancellor was kidnapped. Anakin kills Dooku. Angry coughing robot escapes. The ship crashes. Padme is preggers. Anakin watches the Chancellor, and Obi-Wan chases angry coughing robot. Fight scenes. Anakin discovers Darth Sidious. Samuel Jackson tries to kill him. Anakin kills Sam Jackson, and joins the Emperor. All the Jedi die with one order… except Yoda. More fighting. Anakin kills kids. Anakin kills the Confederacy leaders. Yoda and Obi-Wan learn about Anakin. Anakin chokes out his wife. Anakin fights Obi-Wan… Obi-Wan wins. Padme has the twins, then dies of a “broken heart.” The twins are separated. Fade out.

It wasn’t what we expected, that much was certain. Except for Episode Three maybe. To be fair, some good stuff was born out of it. The Clone Wars animated and CG series, for example. I personally wanted to see the Clone Wars rage across the big screen, if only for two and half hours, with Obi-Wan and Anakin displaying their cunning, prowess, and heroism that solidifies their reputation. I thought the Republic would be fighting clone armies, on the surface and in space, backed by a dwindling Jedi Order. I envisioned the last movie showcasing the rampant corruption of the Republic, finally decoupling with the Emperor’s ascension, culminating with the Jedi Purge and the face-off between Anakin and Obi-Wan.

So, why not a re-envisioning? A redux of the prequels, in three arcs: Shroud of Darkness, showcasing how Obi-Wan and Anakin met in the midst of a hostage crisis. The Clone Wars, bringing the climatic turning point of the Clone Wars to light. And finally, Rise of the Empire, involving the fall of Anakin and the creation of the Empire.

This isn’t the first, or particularly original, idea. But it’s how I would like to see it, and share it with others. Watch this space for more!
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Tophertron Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2016
As I've alluded to elsewhere, I'd recommend altering the format of the Clone War itself, eliminating the unnecessarily farcical and entirely un-intimidating "battle" droids, and replacing them with the cloned soldiers of several major species to give us a *true* Clone War.
 

If you'll please excuse the chunk of text I'm about to dump in your journal, I once posited something similar to the following:


Mandalorian human templates would have been used by Sidious / the Separatists initially, either striking a deal to obtain, or simply stealing, Mandalore's cloning tech, developed to keep their population going due to sterilisation resulting from the planet's own internal warfare generations ago (isolationist Mandalorian society at this point restricted to living within biospheres above, and city-caverns below ground).  An increased number of alien templates would soon emerge, leading to the beginnings of anti-alien bias throughout much of the Republic and later the Empire.

As a result of them being so painfully outnumbered, the Republic would eventually be forced to develop similar clone-bred forces, in theory only until their own voluntary recruitment could catch up.  With Mandalorian templates being the ones they obtained, this resulted in a -necessary- humanocentric bias in terms of the rapid development of Republic vessels and equipment...  In turn this would then dissuade non-human species from signing up.  I expect Tarkin and his ilk would work further to reinforce the symptoms behind the scenes.

So, by the time the CIS facilities had started churning out thousands of Nikto, Klatooinian, Ubese, (and other increasingly alien) clones, the Republic would only be starting to field their first batches of Grand Army clones; armored with knock-off versions of the Mandalorian kit and piloting outdated fighters and capital ships - many reactivated out of decommissioning depots.


The Jedi meanwhile would have initially stayed out of the battlefield, instead continuing their existing peacekeeping roles throughout the Republic proper, until it was found one of their own (Dooku? Sifo-Dyas?) was actually a corrupted darkside clone sent to infiltrate their ranks for nefarious ends.  Other cloned dark Jedi would begin to surface elsewhere throughout the various battles (eg the Bpfassh System for those familiar with the Thrawn trilogy), sowing seeds of mistrust towards the Jedi -- the Jedi then being left with no choice but to join the Clone Wars, to save not only the galaxy but also their own ranks from this character assassination.

It would make little difference: Despite the Jedi attempts to eradicate their darkside "shadows", the damage these abominations achieve would be immense both physically and psychologically.  Various populations would begin to doubt the abilities of their Jedi guardians, if not their true motives; while the Jedi themselves would suffer dramatically from waging a full-scale war -- in some instances against mirror-images of themselves, having been used as templates.  More than one unfortunate Knight would fall to the darkside as a result of the traumas inflicted.


Several member states would eventually secede from the Republic, withdrawing their own assets from the Fleet so as to fortify their own systems. In some instances they'd do so to ward off the CIS in light of the Republic and Jedi's inability to protect them, having received overtures from the Separatists to turn neutral or be forcibly taken.  Ironically this would weaken the Republic further.  Attempts by the Senate to enact harsh embargoes on seceded planets would then in turn cause more unrest, with systems like Dac and Sullust also splitting away in protest. 


The Old Republic at that point would begin to crumble, "forcing" Chancellor Palpatine to declare martial law.  The war isn't yet over, and already the foundations of the New Order have been laid.


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That's as far as I ever got in terms of developing the war; finishing it (and the Jedi) off is a different matter entirely.  Apologies again for pooping text all over your entry!  :D
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Shoguneagle Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2016
Great, great, great musings! I especially love the link between the cloned dark jedi and the those that tainted the cave on Dagobah; it makes sense, and ties in all of the lore that suggested what happened during the Clone Wars prior to the prequels.

If you didn't mind (and you would be properly credited), I'd like to make use of the cloned dark jedi idea within the Revised Prequels.
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Tophertron Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2017
Sorry for only just noticing your reply!  I can't take credit for the idea about the Cave unfortunately - IIRC, that comes from Timothy Zahn.    I'm entirely happy for you to use the idea of dark Jedi clones though!  I always felt that it was one (of many) missed opportunities around the Clone Wars.
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Mangetsu20 Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
Episode 1 needs a Main Character. There's too many unknowns with the exception of Yoda, Obi-Wan and Palpatine. Everyone else are newbies and need to be treated as such instead of a bunch of characters acting like they've been there the entire time. Using the old trilogy formula it should start with the Jedi trying to be peacekeepers in the middle of a war but end up failing. With Obi-Wan as its main character, we can see in the eyes of someone trying to prove himself as a Knight while his Master sits on the Council who is more flippant with rules but ultimately doesn't disobey the Council outright. Anakin should be among those caught in the warzone and Obi-Wan senses the Force is strong with him (insert a miraculous feat the young man/boy could do here). Thus, Obi-Wan tries to train him while amidst a growing unrest in the Senate about its inability to thwart these bouts of rebellion and chaos, with a seedy conspiracy threatening to unravel the fallibility of Democracy. With the Sith striking from the shadows, Obi-Wan trying to teach Anakin to harness his latent abilities and the Clone War starting much earlier this would be the mark of an Epic calamity within the galaxy. 

Episode 2 needs a more relatable love interest. Let's be honest, as much as Padme stood out among the dry talking actors, she was still someone who was quite unbelievable. From her hair and wardrobe to her position among society, it was a bit unreal that someone like her would have -gasp- a love story with a Jedi. Instead, why not have someone be a female rogue who helps Anakin out during the Clone Wars? Tying into the background of him being a pilot, he could hear that she has family back on Tattooine but managed to get freed (insert backstory explained here) which is how she got the ship, but finds out Anakin is a natural when flying starcraft. The two have the whole outlandish hero and rogue with a heart with good chemistry and dialogue while Obi-Wan is dealing with things on battlefields. 

Episode 3 needs smarter tact on the Jedi Masters and the Emperor. It'd be cool to see a genuine Force battle between the most powerful Council members when they find out he's behind the conspiracy and shit gets real. I'm not sure how the dynamic between Anakin falling to the dark side would occur, but I think it'd be better paced than Episode 3's current canon delivery. Obi-Wan and Anakin should use more of the Force in their fight near the end, but Obi-Wan's experience allows him to brutally injure him before he believes that his apprentice dies in an explosion, only for him to come back as Darth Vader in Episode IV instead of it being spoiled in the third episode. We can have Leia's mother take her son back to Tattooine where her relatives take care of him while she dies a few years after taking residency secretly among the Organa family's estate. 
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Shoguneagle Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2016
That's a great point about Episode 1, and one that I haven't thought of. It really doesn't have a main character, does it? Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon are established in the opening... but no one carried the rest of the plot. Everyone's attention is split between the different characters so often, no one takes the spotlight. It's pretty well established that Luke was the main character of the Classic Trilogy, so there's no reason that Anakin or even Obi-Wan couldn't take that role in a revised version.

Not bad suggestions for Episode 2 either. It would lend credibility that Anakin would fall for a relatable person with the romance taking a more believable, down-to-earth approach. My own view is that Episode 2 should take place at the height of the Clone Wars, and that Anakin's love interest have ties to House Organa in some form. Doesn't have to be royalty, but someone close to them. What if she was related to Winter (the Targeter) in some form... and that's why Leia and her look so much alike?

Lastly, I agree with corrections to Episode 3. So much happening in such a short amount of time, and we don't really see the orchestration involved. I think we can agree most everyone felt that Anakin's fall should've been handled differently, something more naturally instead of, "Well, I might as well now that I've gone this far." Padme's death was ridiculous, and minimized the tragedy of her husband/lover's fall, since after all, he fell to the Dark Side before he Force-choked her.

Lots of great musings here; I really appreciate it!
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Mangetsu20 Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
No problem. I genuinely enjoy the Prequels, I just wish they were handled better. Hence why the cast doesn't change too much, just the plot and direction. Thanks for reading my comment ^^
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Colourbrand Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Be honest - I think you summed up all the problems with the prequels - especially the coughing robot. The moment I saw that I just did not care; sorry, a villain with fag-ash breathing problems - I just went no.

Now a lot of folk hate the prequels - and to be honest, I can understand; most of the reasons you highlighted very well.

That said, there is a lot to like about the prequels; earlier ships, innovative designs (Republic Gunship and Jedi fighters - :heart:). They had a lot of impressive ships too - look at the fleet of Separatist vessels!

What has the Farce Awakens got? A natty Star Destroyer, unimpressive landing craft, and slightly modified starfighters - oh and a planet based weapon that can still be destroyed by a lone fighter down a trench!!

I think your idea has merit! Go for it :D
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Shoguneagle Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2016
General Grevious needed be more... inhumane and machine to be a convincing villain. Having him hack up a lung in every scene took away from that immensely.

Yeah, I would say the designs stole the show. Showcasing the precursors to the Star Destroyers, X-Wings, TIE fighters, stormtroopers was a visual treat... even if the story was crap. Unfortunately for me, that's not enough to redeem them.

I enjoyed the Force Awakens, but I'm hoping that with it being the first of the third trilogy to lead Star Wars fans back into what they loved, Episode VIII distances itself from that and tells a different story. I don't want to see it become a rehash of The Empire Strikes Back; it needs to be its own movie, if it's going to have the impact it needs to please the movie-goers.
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Colourbrand Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
True on may points but I think they will do Ep 8 a rehash of Empire - and it will be bad; using old McQuarrie designs to show how in 'touch' they are with us!

Honestly, I have given up on Wars, as well as other things....too dedicated to cash and flash, not enough substance....

But that's just me :)
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lenlenlen1 Featured By Owner Edited Aug 4, 2016  Professional General Artist
What exactly are we talking about here? Just our opinions about what we have preferred to see? Or is someone talking about making a fan movie? In any case, my preference would have been as follows...

I would completely erase Phantom Menace. For me everything about that movie sucks. The only high point is the Darth Maul duels. That's it.

I would have started with Episode2 as Episode 1, but with a few changes: An early scene would be Anakin being introduced to Obi Wan for the first time by the Jedi council as his new Padawan. Amidala is the aggressor in the romantic relationship with Anakin, not the other way around. Makes more sense since she is not the one with restrictions on her about relationships the way that Jedi's have. Also it makes her more spunky and a go-getter instead wooden the way she was in those movies. She breaks down his barriers and he gives in and falls for her. The Clone Wars officialy begins at the end of Episode 1, not 2. And no Jar Jar at all. I don't mind Gungans. I just don't think buffoons should be involved in stories where people lives are on the line.

Epsiode 2: The Clone Wars! This entire Episode would be about the clone wars themselves. Lots of Jedi fighting. Lots of armies fighting. The entire galaxy at war. Enduring the horrors of war Anakin begins to fall towards the dark side. Palpatine notices this and decides to use it to his advantage.

Episode 3: I would pretty much leave alone, except I would have had Anakin become Darth Vader earlier in the movie so we could see some Darth Vader killing Jedi action. A few scenes of that would have gone a long way. How awesome would it have been to see Vader in his prime wiping out a lot of Jedi?! Also I think they should have really committed to Anakin actually killing Amidala instead of just choking her and she falls unconscious. That would up the tragedy aspect of his fall.

In short, Lucas definitely should have hired a talented co-writer.
Anyway, that's my two cents.

p.s. yes the Clone Wars tv shows were awesome
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Shoguneagle Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2016
Anyone (yourself included) is more than welcome to chime in on what they would've liked to see here. I'd certainly back the making of a fan movie revising the prequels, but I'm in no position to do so whatsoever. This is more of a lead-in for a revised prequel setting attached to the Star Wars d6 RPG, as it is what I am most familiar with for creating Star Wars content.

Your preferences are fairly close to what I would've liked to have seen, with exception to Episode I. I wouldn't mind it being a stand-alone from the Clone Wars, so long as it emphasizes the gradual decay of the Republic and how Anakin and Obi-Wan met. Wholeheartedly agree about role-reversing who took lead on Anakin and Padme's romance. It would also be a huge nod to what would become Leia's character: a charismatic firebrand fully capable of taking charge of a situation.

And Episode III? Absolutely. That movie should've specifically been about Vader and the rise of the Empire. However, I would insist that Padme lived for the sake of tying Leia's memories of her mother to it. Doesn't mean she couldn't have been crippled in an attempt of revenge by Anakin; perhaps he believed she was having an affair with Obi-Wan and did so out of jealousy, when in truth, she distanced herself and the twins from him once she realized Anakin had become a monster.

Whatever the case, I loved the feedback! Thank you!
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lenlenlen1 Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2016  Professional General Artist
You da man!
p.s. I really liked The Force Awakens and I'm looking forward to Rogue One and Episode 8.
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AdamKop Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2016  Student Digital Artist
I would actually love to see Filoni and his team take on the prequels with animated movies, because Clone Wars was better than Ep2 and 3. I was still a kid seeing the new trilogy, so I think I had a pretty "pure" look at the movies and I must say that Episode 1 seemed actually really good to me. We had tons of new stuff - droids, ships, planets, Maul etc. Episode 3 seemed ok, but it felt like there was too much stuff in it, with Attack of the Clones being one that I actually hated as a kid and never could watch this movie again. Oh I almost forgot - I read the book before I saw the movie and actually it wasn't that bad ... so perhaps the visual part of the film was the one that sucked.
I can't blame Lucas, because he had a great vision, but watching documentaries I never really felt like people around him could give him some cool ideas or insight on how they see things and in the end it didn't really stick.
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Shoguneagle Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2016
Agreed. I liked the Clone Wars series; there was plenty of great storytelling and character development involved. And it mostly redeemed Anakin's character for me. The way he was written in Episode II and III was irritating, as he tended to gravitate between a spoiled brat and a creeper (especially in Attack of the Clones). Episode I had some memorable stuff, especially Maul (who should've never been killed, at least until Episode III) and Qui-Gon Jinn. Surprisingly, I enjoyed the novelization of Episode III, since it delved into Anakin's darker side (referring to his inner darkness as the Dragon he couldn't slay) and explained why he fell the way he did. But yeah, much of Revenge of the Sith should've been carried over from Attack of the Clones, not as a movie to literally bring the audience to speed on events that didn't happen in AOTC.

George Lucas is most talented as a visionary; coupled with great writers, talented visual artists, and a competent film crew, he really does shine. But he also needed someone to refine his vision, someone able to tell him when he should change things. That is what he didn't have for the prequels... and it showed.
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AdamKop Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2016  Student Digital Artist
Yeah Clone Wars Anakin was the best character - he was loving and compassionate, but at the same time when he had to kill someone, he didn't even really bother trying to find a different solution - there was one episode with a guy trying to blow up a ship and Anakin just stabbed him with the lightsaber in the back and even smiled (I think that scene alone had more insight into his character than most of the prequels).
I think that McQuarrie did a great job on the original trilogy and if only he was around to do more, things would be more interesting. Chiang did a great job with making new concept art (it looked pretty much like Ralph's stuff) but something was lost in translation as everything seemed way too bright, clean and smooth.
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